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Is There a Difference Between the Presence of YHWH and Having His Holy Spirit?

Presence of YHWH vs Having Holy Spirit Just a Word featured


This post is very, very powerful. It explains so many things about us so-called believers that baffle most of us. This includes:

  • Why so many of us are simply religious and do not want more than what our religion says
  • Why people love church
  • Why so-called believers are content to remain in the doctrine in which they find comfort
  • Why there are so many denominations worldwide
  • Why so-called believers convince themselves they can live in sin and still inherit the kingdom
  • Why so-called b elievers cling dearly to once saved always saved (eternal security)
  • Why so many believe they are filled with the Holy Spirit whilst living sinful lives
  • Why many unbelievers are content not repenting and baptizing
  • Why some churches do not even bother to baptize
  • …And much more.

In a previous post, I spoke about the taking away of the Father’s Spirit. In so doing, I touched on the fact that there is a difference between having the presence of YHWH and having his Holy Spirit (dwelling in us).

Today, I would like to look at what that difference is and how we can see and know that difference. Most importantly, is how a misunderstanding of this has us living in a false security.

This is a very important post, as the majority of us so-called believers in this world are deluded into thinking we are “filled with the Holy Spirit,” when in fact, most of us merely have the presence of the Father with us.

I say “merely” as a comparison word, comparing his presence with having his Holy Spirit living in us. I am not trivializing the precious presence of the Father’s Spirit with us.

What’s important is that an understanding of this difference can go a far way to wake us up out of our slumber. It can make us realize we were nothing, when we thought we were something.

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Messiah. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

So to ensure we are not deceiving ourselves, let us start with our core scripture:


His Presence vs His In-Dwelling Holy Spirit

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

David here speaks of 2 things:

  1. His Presence (from which we can be cast away)
  2. His Holy Spirit (that can be taken from us)

So the rest of this post will be spent looking into the difference between his presence and his Holy Spirit along with its implications for us.


There is One Spirit

Before we move on, first of all, we must state that there is only one (Holy) Spirit:

Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as there is one hope to which YHWH has called you.

So when we speak of his presence, we mean the presence of his one Holy Spirit (interacting with us) but not the indwelling of his one Spirit (living in us and controlling our lives according to his will).

Of course, there are many spirits even able to masquerade as the Holy Spirit, which is why Sha’ul warned us:

1Jo 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of Elohiym: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

It is also important to note, that we must have his presence to have his Holy Spirit, but we can have his presence and not have the Holy Spirit.

The Messiah made it clear here:

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you (presence of the Spirit interacting with them), and shall be in you (Holy Spirit living in us).

1 Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of YHWH, and ye are not your own?


The Spirit is Given In Measure

measure-lab-glassNow it is important to know that the Spirit is given in increments. This will go a long way in getting us to understand how we can have the presence of the selfsame Spirit and not have that selfsame Spirit living in us.

There are a few verses that gives us clues that the Father apportions his Spirit in different measures according to his will. This is important to show varying degrees of his presence.

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So let’s see verses that show the apportioning of the Ruach.

John 3:34 For he whom Elohim hath sent speaketh the words of Elohim: for YHWH giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Here we have the Messiah being revealed as not given the Spirit in measure. The word measure comes from the Greek word metron, which means a limited portion.

Therefore, it means we are given the Spirit in limited portions, but the Messiah was not limited! This is what the following verses in Romans 12 are telling us.

Spirit Given According To the Father’s Will

Rom 12:5-6 So we, being many, are one body in Mashiach, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Right away we see through favour (grace), we are given gifts of the Spirit according to the proportion of our faith. Again…

1Co 12:11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

So we see the Ruach (Spirit) gives every believer a measure of his Spirit ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.


Holy Spirit Leading Us

Importantly, we must look at the leading of the Spirit which will show a difference between his presence and having his Holy Spirit dwelling in us.

NB: having the Holy Spirit actually means having the Spirit of the Father dwelling in us and leading us as he wills.

Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The word ‘guide’ is from the Greek hodēgeō, which means to lead or show the way.

English: guide
Greek: ὁδηγέω
From G3595; to show the way (literally or figuratively [teach]): – guide, lead.


Again we also have confirmation of the Ruach guiding (leading) us in Romans 8:

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of Elohim they are the sons of Elohim.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

So having his Holy Spirit means being led by his Spirit, whilst having his presence only, means one has a connection, but is still led primarily by one’s sinful nature.


Sinful Nature Leading Us

Those of us who merely have the presence still live according to our will (our sinful nature), as we are not born of his Holy Spirit. Sadly, if this is the case, we are not his children:

1 Jn 3:9 Those who are children of Elohim (born of the Spirit) do not continue to sin, for YHWH’s very nature is in them; and because YHWH is their Father, they cannot continue to sin.

So if we keep on practicing sin and say we have the Holy Spirit, then something is amiss, because…

1 Jn 5:18 We know that no children of Elohim (those who are born of his Holy Spirit) keep on sinning, for the Son of YHWH keeps them safe, and the Evil One cannot harm them.

So this emphasizes that his presence does not mean we have his Holy Spirit living in us.

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If we are still living sinful lives (practicing sin/keep on sinning), led by our sin nature (with its worldly desires and lusts), while still having a spiritual connection to the Father, then we merely have his presence.


The Goodness (Grace, Mercy, Longsuffering)  Of YHWH

But why? Why would YHWH give his presence to a sinful person? The answer is simple.

Through his goodness (his favour or grace, his mercy, patience and longsuffering), he gives us a connection so we will get a ‘taste’ of his goodness and so want to surrender to him.

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of Elohim leadeth thee to repentance?

The presence that he gives us is simply to make us want more, so we will want everything he has to offer us. Then, we would repent and baptize and receive his Holy Spirit so his Spirit can start living in us.

With his presence, which is given through mercy and favour (grace), he opens up our spiritual eyes a little. This is so we can now start understanding and craving his word. He gives us just enough so we will want more. If we desire more, we will repent and give our lives to him through his son.

Then we will have more than merely his presence, he will now be in control of us, leading us into all truth. We will then have his Holy Spirit (living in us).


My Personal Testimony

This is my personal testimony. Seven years ago as an agnostic, when I was at an all-time low and feeling totally helpless with no one able to help me, I desperately decided to pray and believe my prayer would be answered.

Immediately after I opened my eyes from that prayer though, I felt joy and peace as if all my problems were solved. I walked out of that bathroom experiencing his presence for the first time in my life.

He turned everything around according to my prayer (within a couple days). That presence he gave me was his goodness, shown to me as a sinner to lead me to repentance!

Good thing it worked. From the moment I felt his presence as a sinner, I was sold, and immediately was led into repentance and became a “fanatic” (smile) according to my sister.

I pressed on and continue to press toward the mark of the high calling that is in Yahusha HaMashiach. This is what the Holy Spirit does, it does not keep us stagnant, but leads us into more truth.

That was the personal manifestation of his presence (goodness) that led me to repentance.




We have already seen the difference between his presence and his Holy Spirit, but let’s look at it from the Tanakh (Old Testament). It will give us a greater understanding of this difference.

Exo 13:21-22 And YHWH went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.

That was a very powerful double dose of verses!

His presence among the children of Israel was to lead the way and give them light. Spiritually, that means leading us to repentance so we can be led by the Holy Spirit through faith in his Son (the light of this world).

Importantly for Israel, he did not take away his presence from them.

However, he did eventually take his presence away, but before we look at that, we must see that his presence with the children of Israel did not mean they had his Holy Spirit!


His Presence Did Not Mean They Had His Holy Spirit

Num 11:16 And YHWH said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee.

And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

Although then the Holy Spirit was not yet freely given, these verses serve to show that these 70 elders of Israel did not have the Holy Spirit, even though his presence was with them.

Exo 31:2-3 “See, I have called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, And I have filled him with the spirit of Elohim, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, (gifts of the spirit)

So selected persons were filled with Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit), which in our new covenant is now made freely available.

Unfortunately, many of us in this time refuse to partake of this most precious gift.

The declaration was made of this free availablitilty right here:

John 7:37-39 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Yahusha stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Yahusha was not yet glorified.)

So the important point to note is that the presence of the Father does not signify that one is filled with his Holy Spirit!


Prophecy of the In-Dwelling of the Spirit in Our Covenant

Here is prophecy of the day that the Holy Spirit would be living in us. Of course, this speaks of the covenant we have today in Yahusha HaMashiach:

Eze 11:19-21 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their Elohim.

But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith YHWH Elohim.

So we see, it was prophesied that his Holy Spirit would be in us so as to enable us to walk in obedience. As for those who walk in disobedience, they will be punished.


When He Takes Away His Presence


There were times in the Bible when he took away his presence. This was because of gross disobedience, wilful sin and idolatry.

Jer 11:13 -14 For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Yahudah; and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem have ye set up altars to that shameful thing, even altars to burn incense unto Baal.

Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

The following passage in Yechezqel is very applicable to us today as it speaks about him leaving the temple. By this we should know that in our covenant, our bodies are his temple.

1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of Elohim, and that the Spirit of YHWH dwelleth in you?

So bear it in mind that our bodies are the temple as you read this:

Ezekiel 5:11 Therefore, as I live, declares YHWH Elohim, surely, because you have defiled my sanctuary with all your detestable things and with all your abominations, therefore I will withdraw.

So if we abuse his favour and mercy and defile our temples, then think it not strange if his Spirit is taken away. This is why David could say:

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.



So we just looked at his presence in the Sinai covenant.

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

HaMashiach was speaking of the Spirit dwelling with them (presence); but he spoke of a time when the spirit shall be in them (in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit). Now let us see when the Spirit came in them:

Act 2:3-4 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Now these disciples were sort of a first fruits of the free giving of the Holy Spirit. Their experience was unique. Now how is the Spirit received for the rest of us?

Act 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Yahusha HaMashiach for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


Upon being obedient and following Acts 2:38, we can now move from simply having his presence, to now have him living in us (the gift of the Holy Spirit).


No Guarantee That his Spirit or Presence Will Remain In Us

However, even if we receive his Holy Spirit, there is no guarantee that his Spirit will remain in us.

Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, And have tasted the good word of Elohim, and the powers of the world to come,

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


Heb 10:26-27 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Notice, we become the enemy (adversaries)!

Note also that there is a “fearful looking for of judgment.” Now we know that the Holy Spirit is not a spirit of fear.

2Tim 1:7 For Elohim hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

So the fact that we are fearful, sadly means we no longer have the Holy Spirit.


What It Means to Have His Presence In Our New Covenant

To see what it means to have his presence with us in our new, spiritual covenant, let’s begin by looking back at a Torah verse we used previously:

Exo 13:21 And YHWH went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:

He gave his presence to Israel to show them the way. His presence did not mean they found the way, it simply meant that he was there to help guide them. That is the goodness of YHWH.

So it is in our new covenant:

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of YHWH leadeth thee to repentance?

He gives us his presence to lead us to repentance and obedience of the truth. Where have we heard about repentance previously?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Yahusha HaMashiach for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

He wants us to receive the gift of the holy Spirit, which is the Spirit now being able to live in our sanctified bodies. However, many persons who only have his presence are deceived into thinking they are filled with the Holy Spirit!


Difference Between Him Dwelling With Us And Him Dwelling In Us

So because many of us are deceived, we have to know the difference. When Ruach HaKodesh (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us, we are born again of YHWH. The Ruach is able to control us. It controls our emotions, sanctifies our thoughts and the resultant decisions. It also purifies our consciences to give us good consciences.

Most importantly, we are born of Elohim (God) and so we do not practice sin!

1Jn 3:9 No one born of Elohim makes a practice of sinning, for YHWH’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of Elohim.

By this it is evident who are the children of Elohim, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of Elohim, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

When we merely have his presence and are not being led by his in-dwelled Holy Spirit, we cannot walk in obedience. We must practice sin (transgress the law: 1 John 3:4) because we remain carnal, and:

Rom 8:5-8 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against Elohim: for it is not subject to the law of YHWH, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please YHWH.


Confusing His Presence With the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit


We have so called believers also, who are content in their relationship with the Father as his presence is with them. They confuse his presence with that of the indwelling of the Spirit.

  • Some never obey his directions to repent and baptize in the name of his son.
  • Some do baptize, but are never truly converted (we will look at this soon).
  • Some are technically backslidden, but remain religious, having a form of godliness.

Those with only his presence may pray every day, read Bibles, understand the word (to a limit) and profess dreams. They can show you results and give testimonies of his goodness.

So both sinners and religious persons can tell you how he works powerfully in their lives. However, all of that still does not mean we are filled with the Holy Spirit.

So we must now look at what makes us know the difference between having the presence of his Spirit vs those who truly have his Holy Spirit leading them.


The Spirit of Messiah

A great marker that tells those who have the presence of the Spirit of the Father and those who have his Spirit living in them is looking at the Holy Spirit being described as the Spirit of the Messiah.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of Elohim dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Messiah, he is none of his.

So anyone who does not have the Messiah’s Spirit is none of his. So let’s look at what qualifies us to have the Messiah’s Spirit:

Mat 16:24 Then Yahusha told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his stake and follow me.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his stake, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.



We must first have denied ourselves as a prerequisite to follow the Messiah. If we have not denied ourselves, we cannot be his disciples so we cannot have his Spirit because we do not qualify to follow him!

So any so-called believer who has not denied themself before following the Messiah, they merely have the presence of the Father, and cannot be led by the Spirit of the Messiah.

Denying self merely means putting away all ambitions, lusts and desires of self and cares of this world in order to follow Messiah. It is a giving up of the current direction of life. This, in order to be led by the Spirit of the Messiah into newness of life. This leads us to be servants to YHWH and his Son. That is why:

2 Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in the Messiah, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, ALL THINGS (not some things) are become new.


The Works of the Flesh

anger-woman- works of the fleshWe just spoke about being in the Spirit as opposed to being in the flesh as a marker to show who has the spirit of the Messiah. There is nothing that shows those who are not filled with the Holy Spirit more than the works of the flesh.

Notice, Sha’ul said the works of the flesh are manifest, which means they are plain to see…evident:

Gal 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of YHWH.

It is so important, we must look at another translation so we are able to understand more clearly what these sins are:

Gal 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of YHWH.

Any person who makes a practice of any one of these is not filled with the Holy Spirit!!!

So many of us believers live in these sins, and will tell you they are FILLED with the Holy Spirit.

In fact, we do not even have the Holy Spirit, because…

1 Jn 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of YHWH appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

Let us not deceive ourselves…repent!!!


The Fruit of the Spirit

woman-smiling-fruit of the spiritLikewise, there is nothing that shows you that you have the Holy Spirit more than if you are walking in the fruit of the Spirit:

Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

If this is not how we walk, we are not filled with the Holy Spirit! Why?

Mat 7:16-17 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.

Mat 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.


Those Filled With The Spirit Are Not Worldly

Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Now just look at the verse which follows:

Gal 5:24 And they that are Messiah’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

This means that those who walk in the fruit of the spirit belong to the Messiah, which means they have the spirit of the Messiah (Rom 8:9). They have killed (denied) the flesh:

Mat 16:24 Then Yahusha told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him (1) deny himself and (2) take up his stake and (3) follow me. Mat 16:25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

So-called believers who are preoccupied with the world and its workings, focussed on the lusts and affections of the world, cannot have the Spirit of the Messiah! This means, they do not have the Holy Spirit (according to the Bible).


Why Church Is The Perfect Place for Those Who Only Have His Presence

Church is the perfect home for those who simply have his presence. That is why it is loaded with religious folks who believe as long as they belong to the Christian ‘club’ (church), they have a ticket into the kingdom.

We can live a worldly life for the whole week and come holy on the 7th day or 1st day when we worship. That is why church is said to be a place for sinners and not much emphasis is placed on the love of the least of the brethren, which is the total opposite of the biblical assembly.

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In church, we simply pay our tithes (which has no place in the new spirit led giving of the true new covenant assembly). We also offer worship and praise and that along with the tithes we believe is enough.

Where is the love for the least of the brethren? Little or no love for others is emphasized. Unknowing to us, this leads us to to be among the condemned goats (Mat 25:31-46).

So ‘church’ fits in quite well with our sinful nature. It makes us rest comfortably in merely having his presence: merely following a routine.

This is why you have doctrines such as once saved always saved. We are content to remain only in his presence and not striving to be led by his Spirit into obedience. So we come up with carnal doctrines to make us feel satisfied with remaining where we are…stagnant.

Church also makes us appear to have the Holy Spirit, while merely having his presence and still living in sin. How many of us know people who say they have the Holy Spirit, yet outside of their assembly, they manifest the works of the flesh?

We live as if the Holy Spirit is only in us on the day of worship. We are confusing his presence with the in-dwelling of his Holy Spirit.

See: Why the Institutional Church Is Not Biblical.


What Do Most of Us Do With His Presence?

His presence is to lead us to repentance (Rom 2:4) and towards us being led by Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit). But what do most of us do?

We mistake his presence for us having the Holy Spirit and do not live a repentant life.

To emphasize this, let us look at two sets of people who may have his presence.


So-Called Believers and His Presence

Some of us so-called believers may repent but are never converted. This is mainly because we never followed what the Messiah said and first denied ourselves (Mat 16:24). If we cannot deny ourselves, the Holy Spirit cannot lead us as it will be blocked by our sin nature (Rom 7:14-21).

Yet there are other so called believers who feel that his presence is enough, no need to seek his truth. This is one of the reasons we have so many religious Christian and Messianic believers in the world in whom the works of the flesh are evident.

Likewise, there are believers who will not listen. They will not repent and turn from the works of the flesh that you see is consuming them. Try to speak to them, you may really regret it, as they may give you a right piece of their minds. They are satisfied with the presence, believing they have the Holy Spirit.



A Form of Godliness

Persons like this are content with having a form of godiness. Religious. These are your church lovers who could never thrive outside the walls of that sinful institution.

The aim is to try to balance spiritual life with this world, eager to partake of what this world has to offer (1 John 2:15). They have no intent or abillity to reject this world (1 Pet 2:11).

We may talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. We will preach to you, but may (at best) only partially live what we preach.

We will give you a piece of our minds if you push us too far (in a way not much different from when a sinner is enraged).

We manifest the works of the flesh (Gal 5:19-21), rather than the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23. We have not crucified the flesh (Gal 5:24).

By their fruits ye shall know them (Mat 7:16-20).

How can such persons be claiming to be filled with the Holy Spirit? That person is a liar.


Unbelievers and His Presence

The presence of YHWH is also the reason we have so many unbelievers who can tell us about their experiences with “God.”

Unbelievers here means those who have not obeyed the call to repent and be baptized.

I have unbelieving friends who pray everyday, some read Bible and tell me the Father is who helps them through life. However, they continue to live in sin and are not willing to go past their current state. In effect, they refuse to repent.


What If We Don’t Let His Presence Lead Us To Repentance?

But what does the Bible say if we do not let his goodness lead us to repentance? Let’s see:

Rom 2:4-11 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of Elohim leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of YHWH; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for splendour and honour and immortality, eternal life:

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

But splendour, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with Elohim.

Need I say any more? If we do not let his goodness lead us to repentance and the receiving of the indwelling of his Holy Spirit, then we will be judged harshly. There is nothing good awaiting us, only indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish.


Taking Away His Presence and his Holy Spirit

So let us get back to our core scripture:

Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

The presence of YHWH is not something trivial. It is our connection to him…the lifeline of our soul. Without it, we have no hope.

Where are you Father?

What if it is taken from us? What if it is taken from almost an entire country? What if it is taken almost from the entire world?

Sinners will become really sinful and so-called believers who are not led by his Holy Spirit will really portray evil. What if his presence leaves even some of those who claim to have his Holy Spirit?

That is what is coming to the world with the mark of the beast. Those who claim to have his Holy Spirit, yet choose instead to take the mark so as to live comfortably in this world, will have his presence removed from them forever.

Those who currently only have his presence (and not his in-dwelling Holy Spirit) and take the mark, will also have his presence taken from them…forever. No hope of it returning. Total and final separation.

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That is great tribulation…coming soon.

See: Taking Away The Holy Spirit: Discover The Powerful End Time Significance Of These 3 Dreams



When the Bible speaks of being filled with the Spirit, it means totally led by the Ruach in all that we do, say, desire, decide. It means a life that is led into righteousness and cannot refer to one who practices sin.

It cannot be one who manifests the works of the flesh today and is Holy quoting scripture and preaching the word tomorrow. It is one who walks in the spirit, which means their entire lives…all their decisions are based on the Word.

Those who are filled with the Spirit will be despised by others (John 15:18, 1 John 3:13) as they do not conform to this world (Rom 12:2), but tell the world what it hates (John 3:20).

They do not try to balance their lives in this world, but rather consider themselves as strangers and pilgrims in this world (1 Pet 2:11).

They are not struggling with sin (1 John 2:29, 1 John 3:7), but rather have set their affections on things above, not on the things of this earth (Col 3:2).

In so doing they are rejected (John 12:48), and people feel uncomfortable around them (John 3:20) and other believers who merely have the presence, will even persecute them for being too extreme (John 16:2).

Do you have the presence of the Father or do you still believe you have his Holy Spirit dwelling in you and leading you? Judge for yourself and be honest. Be not deceived.

If you now realize you only had his presence all along…HalleluYah! You have been given a lifeline: repent deny yourself, pick up your stake and follow the true Messiah of the Bible.

This is his goodness that is given to lead you to repentance. First though, you must know which Messiah to follow! So take a look at Why Almost All of Us Are Following A False Messiah.

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There is coming a time when his Ruach may say goodbye to us, without warning. That is when there will be a famine of the word (Amos 8:11-14)…but that is another story.


1 thought on “Is There a Difference Between the Presence of YHWH and Having His Holy Spirit?”

  1. 1 Corinthians 14:33 “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”. 2. 1 Peter 5:8 “Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.”.

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